tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post5773363320138618925..comments2021-11-12T16:15:50.273+00:00Comments on Towers of Yorke: Squaring the Circle.John Yorkehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17252706905937450617noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-88436950866286829092021-11-12T16:15:50.273+00:002021-11-12T16:15:50.273+00:00Alhamdulilah.Alhamdulilah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-39189494577364684802013-02-17T22:43:12.497+00:002013-02-17T22:43:12.497+00:00Mukala,
My apologies also to you for the delay i...Mukala, <br /><br />My apologies also to you for the delay in replying to your observations on this matter. <br /><br />I would agree that simple solutions would be the best ones to use here but what about the language in which they must then be seen to operate? <br />There is, in this matter, no common language upon which both sides can really communicate confidently with each other. But what could serve us all better than the universal language of mathematics? <br />In every county around the world, two plus two must always equal four. And random results are often much more acceptable to nations and individuals than many carefully crafted treaties and agreements that, all too often, are so easily abrogated not long after the ink has dried upon them.<br /><br />The requirement is therefore for a long-lasting means of securing a peace process. Anything that can be turned off on a mere whim or a perceived insult of some kind will not be sufficient to the task. John Yorkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17252706905937450617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-44678472716575893232013-02-17T22:16:50.439+00:002013-02-17T22:16:50.439+00:00Emanuel,
My apologies for replying so many months...Emanuel,<br /><br />My apologies for replying so many months removed from your remarks in October last year. I had not checked this site for some considerable time and so was unaware of your comments from way back then. <br />Monetary penalties won't really work in the Middle East. With so much oil around the place, the amount of money flowing in and out of the region makes it all too vague and impersonal for any financial penalties to have much effect.<br /><br />Land, on the other hand is a finite resource and has far more of an emotive and permanent ability to operate successfully on most, if not all, mindsets in the local area. <br /><br />As for implementation, I would suggest that the mere discussion of such a proposal would soon see a marked difference in the attitudes of all concerned. The actual possibility of finalising this 65 year-old conflict by means of such a simple formula should be welcomed with open arms by everyone on the planet. I would expect there to be very little pain and much rejoicing at so comprehensive a resolution to this matter and many others of a similar nature. John Yorkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17252706905937450617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-72757106181633675872012-11-14T17:14:09.729+00:002012-11-14T17:14:09.729+00:00This is a man made solution and is far too complic...This is a man made solution and is far too complicated. We need a simple solution.<br />How about a peace engagement between Jews and Arabs in the name of Abraham, first.<br />They need to swear to each other that as brothers, they will never wage war against each other, that they will always work towards peace in any instances.<br />The warmongers on each side will be provided with guns and munitions, and gathered on a chosen strip of land to kill each other off. They will be provided with proper care at a time and send back to the battlefield until they have finished each other off.<br />The peace loving Jews and Arabs, will enjoy a time of peace and prosperity by working and helping each other under the new deal.<br />The brothers will prevent the outside forces from interfering in the deal or breaking it apart.<br />The conflict between Jews and Arabs is fanned from the outside, and those outside forces need to be recognised and dealt with first.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04334051880378525545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-78982245778684365462012-10-06T05:44:49.675+00:002012-10-06T05:44:49.675+00:00The GP is a version of a similar suggestion made b...The GP is a version of a similar suggestion made by Prof. Dan Ariely who suggested that interested parties deposit considerable amounts of money (billions of Dollars) into an account, money that would be made available to the Palestinians and Israel at some point in the future. Whenever one side digresses from positive actions towards peace, a financial penalty is assigned and the offending side loses a chunk. The idea , like with the GP, to discourage delaying tactics and any kind of sabotage. Nice idea, difficult to implement, less painful than the GPAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05578126568986025761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-40195602156237523312012-04-20T21:42:12.436+00:002012-04-20T21:42:12.436+00:00I've only ever set foot in the Middle East on ...I've only ever set foot in the Middle East on one occasion. Worked in and travelled around Qatar for about two months.<br /><br />Very hot and humid, as I recall, not much to see there then but everyone I met was very friendly and hospitable. <br /><br />But these days, in our fast shrinking world, Qatar, Israel and neighbouring countries can seem like they're practically on our doorstep via the Internet whenever we wish.John Yorkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17252706905937450617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-89532569873780984732012-04-20T09:58:37.447+00:002012-04-20T09:58:37.447+00:00Your heid is full of wee wheels. :o) Do you spend ...Your heid is full of wee wheels. :o) Do you spend much time in Israel and/or neighbouring countries?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-72833577314998067202012-03-19T13:03:23.456+00:002012-03-19T13:03:23.456+00:00There can be no divorce from life unless it is tha...There can be no divorce from life unless it is that which is found in death, the only known supplier of the one means of exit.<br /><br />But that would mean an admission of our failure to react and overcome all manner of adversity.<br />Such a response is not worthy of human beings nor should it ever remain so. <br /><br />We are surely better than that.John Yorkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17252706905937450617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-51529650119112376222012-03-19T11:31:09.019+00:002012-03-19T11:31:09.019+00:00yes it really be beyond the compass of the human m...yes it really be beyond the compass of the human mind to at least regulate this constant cycle of life but some time this main balance is disturb is the reach to divorce situation <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSrbtf-g7c0" title="גירושין" rel="nofollow">גירושין</a>joymohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624754715036635069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-21943364606928375092012-03-17T21:01:28.036+00:002012-03-17T21:01:28.036+00:00I am pleased that you like it.
I must admit I ha...I am pleased that you like it. <br /><br />I must admit I haven't checked it out myself lately. It's good to know it hasn't suffered too badly from the ravages of time. Almost five years have passed since it began and it's amazing but still sad to realise how little things have changed.<br /><br />Regards, JY.John Yorkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17252706905937450617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-9097816944661163022012-03-13T16:32:05.278+00:002012-03-13T16:32:05.278+00:00waow,,, i am loving this conversation.waow,,, i am loving this conversation.גירושיןhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSrbtf-g7c0noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-63357179421540799932011-06-14T16:27:52.689+00:002011-06-14T16:27:52.689+00:00Thanks for your comment, Anonymous.
I would agre...Thanks for your comment, Anonymous. <br /><br />I would agree that having the UN decide on ownership of any land in the region would be a bad idea. Too much intrigue and behind-the-scenes dealing for that. But, in this instance, the UN would be without any power to do so. It might be expected to record the verdict, even enforce it to some extent, but it could never have judgement in the matter. That decision could only be made by an Israeli or his Palestinian counterpart, one that, ultimately, he or she would have to live with for the rest of their lives. <br />Would you be able to make that decision? <br />Would your relatives? Would any Israeli? Would any Palestinian for that matter? Not one, I suspect.<br /><br />For anyone to be viewed as the culprit in the loss of even the smallest part of this much disputed territory would mean instant expulsion from the tribe, isolation of the most complete kind possible. <br /><br />To understand the principle behind this concept is to realise that no loss of land is expected to take place; only the possibility of such a loss is allowed. <br />Since neither side is likely to permit such an event, a 'de facto' peace emerges, bringing with it conditions far more conducive to a 'de jure' peace. <br /><br />Either way, some sort of peace is finally established and, once firmly in place, getting rid of it will be virtually impossible.<br /><br /> And all of us can then relax a little and know that we did the very best we could under extremely trying circumstances.John Yorkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17252706905937450617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-39378089332105053722011-06-14T01:52:01.439+00:002011-06-14T01:52:01.439+00:00You forgot Judicial disputes. That is, today and i...You forgot Judicial disputes. That is, today and in earlier times the palestinians get automatic majority (as said once, if the arabs decide the earth is flat, the UN would accept such a declaration), and we can not trust the UN or other bodies to get agreeable identification of one act as violent. For example, an arrest of a known terorist, assassination of a known terrorist, and so on. I would never let the UN decide whether to take a piece of land (my fathers allready fought for and died for) and give it to the palestinians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-64657223344840504152011-05-08T11:32:09.855+00:002011-05-08T11:32:09.855+00:00German solution or not, we still need something wi...German solution or not, we still need something with which to address the vacillation and timidity that, so far, has characterised all of our deliberations on this type of problem. <br /><br />This is a big, big problem, nothing minor about it. Therefore we must not be frightened to think big when confronting it. Thinking small will get us all precisely nowhere; of that you can be very, very sure.John Yorkenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-8797167288294438532011-02-05T04:36:42.934+00:002011-02-05T04:36:42.934+00:00Just what we need---a German solution to a Jewish ...Just what we need---a German solution to a Jewish Problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-58240268873601192542009-07-07T15:27:15.027+00:002009-07-07T15:27:15.027+00:00Hi Mattai, welcome,
Of course, you're correct;...Hi Mattai, welcome,<br />Of course, you're correct; mankind has never been noted for its neatness in such matters. Neatness here requires considerable effort and planning: so many loose ends to tie up, too many conflicting points of view vying for attention. Generally, most of us have to be content with making do the best we can, hoping against hope for better things to come. The concept detailed here, however, moves that whole process up onto an entirely new level.<br /><br />Please don't see it as a mosaic. If it should take that route, then the result will mean failure. Think of it more as a feasibility study, a work in progress, a project that either will work or will not. If it doesn't pan out, then what have we lost? A few brain cells and a future that was never meant to be. But, if it is found to be just what's needed, then we can all finally pat ourselves on the back and congratulate everyone concerned on a job well done.<br /><br />Remember, all it takes is an idea whose time has come. After the best part of a century trying to lay the matter to rest, the Israeli/Palestinian struggle, along with so many others, may find its resolution only when the laws of mathematics become allied with the laws of chance. As they do in this instance.<br /><br />If we cannot give direction to that which tasks us, then we are surely lost. And being lost is never the best start to any venture. <br /><br />What is envisaged here may be one path we can all take. Others, so far, have proved to be dead ends and of no benefit to anyone except, perhaps, armaments manufacturers.John Yorkenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-23962603844531718112009-07-02T17:47:10.066+00:002009-07-02T17:47:10.066+00:00This is so crazy. The result is to make a mosaic f...This is so crazy. The result is to make a mosaic for a small country which will not work for anyone in it.<br /><br />If you can make a mosaic like this to work then ok. People never do things this neatly. They like to mess up every time and that is why these wars and conflicts will continue.Mattai Largo,noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-22028952356081712262009-01-13T02:42:00.000+00:002009-01-13T02:42:00.000+00:00Thank you for your observations, Farka, but I feel...Thank you for your observations, Farka, but I feel you may be missing the point. This method, also known as the German Plan or GP for short, is not, primarily, directed at acquiring or losing anybody's land. That factor only comes into the equation because land, its possession and ownership, has fuelled this conflict from the very beginning. It is the alpha and the omega of the problem. It remains, therefore, the only true arbiter of whatever resolution can be reached. <BR/><BR/>The GP, first and foremost, is a scare tactic and, quite possibly, the biggest and best we're ever likely to have. It takes the whole situation to a much higher level.<BR/><BR/>At the moment, both sides can justify any violent behaviour on their part by referring it to the need for carrying the war to the enemy. Very laudable, - especially if your side is the one doing the carrying. However, once the GP is in place, this rationale rapidly collapses. That same 'enemy,' is suddenly more than content to have the war carried to him. By simply being less violent than his counterpart, he stands to benefit immeasurably from the exchange. That very same counterpart, on the other hand, is likely to lose out in the biggest way possible, a possibility he can forestall only by becoming even more non-violent in return.<BR/><BR/> We're not living in the stone-age any more where the guy with the biggest club usually got what he wanted and devil take the rest. The trick here is to furnish all the guys with exactly the same type of club and then keep giving them bigger and bigger clubs. Pretty soon, no one will be able to lift their club let alone use it. When that situation occurs, there will still not be peace. However, conditions vastly superior to those of past and present times will have been established, allowing something very much like real peace to emerge. At the moment, there seems very little prospect of that happening, now or in the near future. Even in the far future, things look decidedly bleak in that respect.<BR/><BR/>So, why not try the GP? The laws of Man have always been much too tentative, too moderate and too unsure in these matters. The laws of Mathematics need have no such limitations.John Yorkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17252706905937450617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-35634815536694221242009-01-12T14:54:00.000+00:002009-01-12T14:54:00.000+00:00This is a very silly idea. Israel's title to the ...This is a very silly idea. Israel's title to the West Bank is already unrecognised by the whole world; that has never stopped it taking over any bits it feels like. If Israel lost out under this system, its reaction would be "You say it's not my land? So make me leave." If the Palestinians lost out, their reaction would be "So what? We don't control it now, what difference does being told it's not ours make?" It might work if other countries decided to enforce it - but with a nuclear-armed Israel, that ain't gonna happen.Farkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03039353154537542938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-42255731049818133652008-06-29T22:03:00.000+00:002008-06-29T22:03:00.000+00:00Hello John Yorke,In theory your concept has some v...Hello John Yorke,<BR/><BR/>In theory your concept has some valid points but there is a world of difference between theory and practice.<BR/><BR/>OK, it certain the majority of Israelis and Palestinians will not be too enthusiastic about some aspects of squaring this circle. I think it's too ambitious but it's nice to have an alternative to think about.<BR/><BR/>Celeste Sorrel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-62306695304352230382008-02-17T20:08:00.000+00:002008-02-17T20:08:00.000+00:00Postscrpt to Flora,The Israelis, the Palestinians ...Postscrpt to Flora,<BR/><BR/>The Israelis, the Palestinians and all those others having fingers in this particular pie have often flouted the laws of both God and Man. The laws of Mathematics are, however, much more rigid and unforgiving. <BR/><BR/>And it may be that only these laws can prevail while all others are fated to lie broken and buried by the sands of time. <BR/><BR/>John.John Yorkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17252706905937450617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-72143158496128625392008-02-17T19:43:00.000+00:002008-02-17T19:43:00.000+00:00Hi Flora,My apologies for the delay replying to yo...Hi Flora,<BR/><BR/>My apologies for the delay replying to your comment, a comment for which I thank you.<BR/><BR/>I must say I've never really thought much about how the procedure advanced in this blog might be initiated. Your idea of it floating onto the international scene seems as good as any. Perhaps things have to reach a crisis such that more peripheral, more direct solutions like this then manage to muscle their way into the world's consciousness. In short, I can't seem to provide a ready-made answer your question. <BR/><BR/>All I know is that it's an option available to whatever personage or institution may feel its time has come. <BR/><BR/>As to why noboby appears to have thought of it before this, my only conclusion must be that everyone has assumed some external solution would eventually and somehow carry the day. Nobody, therefore, has been looking internally at the problem.<BR/><BR/>Hope that makes sense to you, Flora.<BR/><BR/><BR/>John YJohn Yorkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17252706905937450617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-57165108746851068512008-01-25T11:32:00.000+00:002008-01-25T11:32:00.000+00:00Hello, I like the idea of it being such a simple m...Hello, <BR/><BR/>I like the idea of it being such a simple method that brings about an end to this horrible conflict but it still sounds a little too far-fetched to me. <BR/><BR/>Are you saying if this is just floated onto the international scene, it will sort out all the problems for good? I cant believe that but I can see it would create a new dimension and that might be a way out.<BR/><BR/>I know this struggle between the Israelis and Palestinians has been going on for God knows how long but if a bit of mathematics can solve the puzzle why hasn't someone thought of it before?<BR/><BR/> I will say this. It does make a change from the usual rubbish solutions that everyone keeps coming up with - and NOT working.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Flora, student of War.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-10865609237441067752007-10-25T23:36:00.000+00:002007-10-25T23:36:00.000+00:00Hello Anon,'How do you overcome that? No matter wh...Hello Anon,<BR/><BR/>'How do you overcome that? No matter what the world says, this view is unlikely to change.'<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your comments.<BR/><BR/>And you're correct when you state that the attitudes of those more immediately involved here do need significant alteration. But for most of them change is a hard road to travel with dangers apparent on every side. Changes, however, are urgent and vital but if they cannot be sourced from within then it follows they must be obtained from without. That is why this blog attempts to promote an alternative approach, one where an external, proactive method is used. First priority: stabilise the situation for the length of time it takes to halt the violence so endemic in the region. Conditions then become so much more favourable for those 'changes' to emerge. Second priority: Maintain the first priority until such 'changes' are fully fledged and able to stand and flourish on their own.<BR/><BR/>As with everything, it can be all so straightforward when you know how.......<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/><BR/>John.John Yorkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17252706905937450617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6697082266216238212.post-21626799629065765352007-10-25T17:11:00.000+00:002007-10-25T17:11:00.000+00:00I don't have time to read all the comments, so for...I don't have time to read all the comments, so forgive me if this one is repetitive. Throughout the history of the conflict, one of the biggest obstacles has been Arab/Palestinian refusal to recognize the right of Israel to exist (the PA charter has NOT been changed, the Hamas charter still calls for Israel's destruction).<BR/><BR/>How do you overcome that? No matter what the world says, this view is unlikely to change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com